Roeder/Tiller murder case... What are your thoughts?

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  1. KGameLover1

    KGameLover1 Well-Known Member

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    That's OK, I'm used to the hate by now. :(

    And I'm a guy, FYI. :)
     
  2. bluecanary

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    you do realize right, that memories don't form in infancy either? and that memories that can, well, be remembered don't occur until a person is a few years old? and that brain activity occurs before birth?
     
  3. Vester

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    well, in the womb do u ever think "hey im alive!" I doubt u do. anyway if u were aborted and your brain had the ability to work u wouldnt even know what happened. Its not like the doctor is yelling down your moms vagin "HEY, IM ABORTING YOU, GET READY"
     
  4. bluecanary

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    that has to be one of the most ignorant things i've seen posted in a while. if you're murdered it's not like you know it happened either, that still doesn't make it right. if you're implying that partial birth abortions aren't horrendous because the fetus doesn't know whats happening, that's rediculous. neither does someone who is murdered in their sleep, or someone who is mentally impaired whith the cognative function of a child, or a child under the age of, say, 5, who is to young to comprehend death. both of the latter 2 wouldn't understand , even if you said "i'm going to kill you" before hand.
     
  5. d1

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    I saw a bumper sticker on someone's car for an anti-abortion site that linked you to a YT vid, but I can't remember what it was..It was a really informative vid too. Shame I can't think of it.
     
  6. danrel

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    No hate intended fella. I was just kidding. You're alright in my book!
     
  7. bluecanary

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    #27 bluecanary, Jan 30, 2010
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    to clarify, i don't approve of killing people for any reason when there is a concious chioce to do so and when other options are available.
     
  8. AaronAMV

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    what if someone was trying to harm you or your family
     
  9. danrel

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    #29 danrel, Jan 30, 2010
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    What if they have a terminal illness and they ask you to kill them? Honestly, what if!?
     
  10. Scottlarsen

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    This is one of those things that we have no definitive answer for. When does life begin? In the end those who speak with absolute certainty only seem to have beliefs. Either way it makes me uncomfortable, and I am glad to this day I have never had to face that choice.
     
  11. Scottlarsen

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    Seriously, how could anyone answer that until they have faced it?
     
  12. danrel

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    Well, you could give me your honest opinion of how you feel about it currently without ever actually having to face it head-on. Use your imagination, as painful as it may be to imagine something like this.
     
  13. CaptainAwesome

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    In the latter stages of pregnancy, the baby can see. It is aware of its surroundings. It's intentionally moving its arms, legs, and so forth, which requires thought processes. If that's not alive and human, I dunno what is. Now, it's not yet proven when the baby is "alive", so to speak, but I would much rather just kill tissue that hasn't developed organs like a brain than a fetus that has the ability to move.

    I've got nothing against abortion. It helps a lot of people (victims of rape, etc.) get out of spots that would keep the child from having a healthy and un-oppressed life. I just hope that most would have the good sense to get the job done early enough that it's just tissue you're killing.

    Heheh, that's what I thought too. :D
     
  14. Lombardo

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    I completely agree. We also really need to educate more people on safe sex.
     
  15. Scottlarsen

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    I have lived long enough to know that is pointless. My family has already faced this. I saw how tough decisions like these are. Since it was not up to me, I don't know how I would decide. You can't really know until the choice is upon you.
     
  16. bluecanary

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    there is a monumental difference in killing out of necessity and killing by choice. there are few absolutes in life and the world exists in shades of grey. what i meant previously was that i'm against killing with malicious intent, or when it's done by choice, while other options are available. obviously there are extenuating circumstances when taking a life is a necessity, such as war,or in the cases of justified officer involved shootings. or in extreme cases of self defense. however, while the law does give one the ability to defend oneself, the ability to use deadly force is not absolute. as for assisted suicide, that is a question no one could legitimately awnser without being in that situation. also, that is a completely different set of circumstances, it involves assisting someone who has made a concious choice to end their life. and while i don't have at hand the state statutes for every state, i do know they vary, and that assisted suicide isn't always classified as homicide.

    and a little food for thought, i know of at least one state where a person can be charged with intentional/unintenional homicide of an unborn child if they cause the death of a fetus, yet if the mother chooses to abort, its legal.
     
  17. Brazilian Rider

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    As far as I'm concerned:

    Life of many > Life of one

    Unless it's my life, if that's the case it's:

    My life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>x1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Life of many.
     
  18. bluecanary

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    as far as educating people on safe sex practices, i'm not sure that that can be done any more than it is. at least for me, it was manditory in school, and i find it hard to believe there are many people in 2010, at least in the U.S. who don't know by the end of junior high, what birth control is. the problem generally isn't a lack of education, it's a lack of accountability. when Roe v. Wade was decided, maybe there was a need for abortion, today, with the advances in medicine, there isn't.
     
  19. Scottlarsen

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    Yeah, Sex Ed was the same for me. Not sure what else you could do besides a hands on demonstration. That would violate so many other laws though.
     
  20. bluecanary

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    actually, in highschool heath, i recall my teacher using a banana to demonstrate how to properly put on a condom. (even that didn't help some classmates.)
     

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