You're using a false argument. Because I said "to be safe don't use testers from China", does not mean I said "Don't trust any Chinese people." This is what you are saying. Not me. Let me sum this up for you: Piracy is rampant in China (a fact). For damage limitation and "to be safe don't use tester from China" Using your 2nd example the equivalent would be: To be safe don't visit areas with high crime rates.
think on the bright side; your app is now being marketed for free. the people who download it, may actually buy it. if they don't - they wouldn't have purchased it in the first place. it is just a pity these do not count towards your app store rankings. i just saw Caveman appear on some ipa sharing sites; shit happens. of course, we'll send the typical DCMA related shutdown notices; but we do realize we cannot do much
The real test is: Would the people you're insulting be offended by your racial stereotyping? IMO the vast majority of Chinese people would find your comments offensive. I doubt the TouchArcade site wants to convey your message of "don't use testers from China".
Red1, your problem is you've been offended by what you think I've said rather than what I actually have said.
I had already edited my words...but again you replied a few seconds after I posted. I'm now using your words...and it's equally offensive. End of story.
Not everyone in China is going to read this topic, so it doesn't really matter what he says. I think it's plain to see how out of control piracy is in those areas, just go there. If you want to buy a fake anything, you've got it. It's a monumentally huge business over in the east, bigger than it has ever been in the west, and so racist as it may seem to some, keeping your product away from that area means there's a good probability it'll stay safer for longer. I live right in the middle of London, England and despite being the country's capital I wouldn't even know where to go to buy a pirate DVD. In fact the only instances I can think of seeing them being sold is from Asian men roaming around in McDonalds with a bag full of pirate crap. Is that racist? That I can't find an Englishman selling stolen movies but I've seen plenty of Asian men doing it? It's the same deal with maritime piracy. You're pretty safe sailing a boat around America, but go towards Africa and suddenly your chances of being boarded and held hostage shoot up. That doesn't mean that everyone in Africa is a criminal, just that it's common over there. Different parts of the world have different problems, and pointing them out is more of a precaution than it is racism.
That's not true. It is your problem that Red1 has been offended by what he or she thinks you said. What you say and what you mean is irrelevant. It is the perception that will impact your business. In short, it is not a good idea to participate in this discussion with your PR account. But I'm out. I can't watch a fellow developer dig his own grave. Not every Chinese person lives in China.
Again: the problem is not how you say it - the problem is how the receiver of your message is understanding it. It's basically his or her problem. If s/he wants to see a rasistic remark in a fact, s/he'll see it. No matter how politically correct you are trying to discuss it.
Are you trying to make me out as some kind of racist for saying that? Pretending that I don't know Chinese people exist outside of China? If you actively go looking for racism you're bound to find it in places it doesn't actually exist. Very well then: "Not every Chinese person is going to read this topic". Politically ****ing correct or what.
Because people don't need your entire original post repeated multiple times. Plus the rest of your words were not relevant. And the quoted section accurately reflected your words. I understand your frustration at being ripped off and I can even understand your identification of certain countries where this might occur more frequently... it's just the way you've extrapolated this out to "all Chinese" that's offensive. I didn't want to reply to this thread so much, but I feel strongly about this topic and felt compelled to speak out against racial stereotyping. That's been done, so I'll stop now.
Yes! Yes, exactly. Vovin gets it! These are not the kind of discussions responsible marketing representatives initiate while on duty.
Speaking of TA poster shenanigans I think someone on here distributed Boom Boat to a piracy site (after I gave him a promo code no less). SEB1971 asked for a promo code and I sent it to him. A day later I found this: http://iphonecake.com/bbs/redirect.php?tid=47501&goto=lastpost
other stuff This thread has gone seriously off-topic. To bring it back to a matter of policy, and not bickering over nationality and region-ism ("Chinese" is not a race, folks, so there is no racism here), let's talk about obvious things that many companies do: 1) Many companies have well-established guidelines regarding beta testers. Most of these companies require beta testers to either be located in the same country as the company, or the US (I've worked with various software companies based in Korea / Japan that were only hiring US-based help, for various reasons). In many cases, this is because of rule-of-law. It is nearly impossible to initiate successful legal action (read: damages) as a foreigner, against a China-based infringer. Knowing that there are no consequences to worry about dramatically increases the infringement rate for people who have the opportunity. Companies prefer accountability, and that means proximity and/or legal remedy. 2) Payment It's just easier to get payment to players in the West for various reasons, so if you expect to reward beta testers and/or promote them, it's better to get them from an area with more seamless exchange options.
Here we go again. For the last time I did not say "all chinese". This is what you keep saying I said. My original statement is merely a precaution warning other developers that due to the rampant piracy issue you would be safer to not use testers from China. The important words that Red1 keeps leaving out to exaggerate their own argument are "to be safe". The inclusion of these words should indicate that I don't believe or even think that all Chinese people are pirating software. I have no issue with what I have said in this thread. I do not consider myself to be digging my own grave as has been commented. The fact I have caught out Red1 twice editing his posts to tone down what he's saying is very telling to me. Red1 is obviously very sensitive to these issues, caught up in moment and read way more into this than is actually there. The problem is then amplified as people think I've said what they've quoting me having said which if you read the whole thread simply isn't true. All societies have their problems. America has a high percentage of obesity, the UK has high rates of teenage pregnancy, and China has a high rate of piracy. Saying so isn't offensive. It's important for people in these countries to accept they have these issues and get together as a society and deal with them, rather than brushing them under the carpet because they don't want to upset people.
This thread is silly and I'm not sure we're accomplishing anything here continuing this argument. In conclusion, only use beta testers that you trust. Better yet, only use beta testers who are legally responsible adults instead of kids regardless of nationality.
