I guess I'll just keep repeating this: Yes, I agree the language is confusing about what "ad free" means. But unlike you guys, I don't think this is intentional and that the developer is some boogie man. Somehow, some way, I guess I'm just a unique snowflake that has the ability to still have fun playing the game despite this issue, and don't feel the need to get mad on the internet about it. But please don't let me rain on your parade, continue being pissed off about this. The thread is already ruined so go nuts I guess.
Are you playing the free version or the paid version? Where does you conviction of dev's pure intentions come from? Have you interviewed them? A few people came to this forum to express their opinion. That is what forums are for. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't make them wrong. You can still put forward arguments in this game's defence if you feel that they can effectively express your opinion and sway someone else's point of view. You are not a snowflake and we are not villagers with pitchforks. We are people with opinions posting on this website.
Why would any developer bother getting involved in this toxic hell hole? Another reason why the forums are dying. THANKS EVERYONE!
I genuinely don't know why this has to happen in practically EVERY game release thread now. I used to be able to refer back to the forums for all sorts of useful information which we could link to on the front page. Now it's just people getting incredibly angry about insignificant things, which again, is super in fashion right now in all gaming circles. No one can just enjoy anything anymore, it all has to be about how hard they're getting ####ed over, how greedy a developer is, and anything in between. It's incredibly tiring and I'm not sure what to do to fix it short of a mass purge of problem users to try to start over.
Forums will die when everyone agrees with each other and there is no point posting one's opinion. I think it would be educational for devs to come to forums like this to learn players' opinions and expectations. And Eli, with all due respect, you are the one being toxic. Instead of defending your opinion about the game like boardumb was trying to do, you are just complaining about people criticising the game, throwing arms in the air and being all melodramatic.
I can almost guarantee you Playgendary wouldn't touch this forum with a ten foot pole after the display in this thread. There's a difference between voicing opinions & expectations and flipping tables over, demanding developers learn how to release their games and threatening $0.99 refunds.
I'm not entirely convinced it's as prevalent as you think - unless I've really missed some threads I've not seen a huge increase in this kind of discussions in the last few years. Every so often something goes FTP or there's an ambiguous description that people don't like but I think to tarnish nearly every thread is a bit unfair. I've been as guilty as the rest of us at getting annoyed at something that possibly I shouldn't have (INKS and the buy levels iap) but sometimes rightly or wrongly people feel genuinely aggrieved by an issue with a game and this is the only forum they have to express it.
I see less and less people I knew two years ago that are not on this forums anymore, it's sad to see that many people leave the forums, I am always very positive about what I say about a game, because every dev. needs to make money somehow, is it with a bad or good game they need to make money to survive. I always comment on a game I really like, games I don't like I just say nothing about it, I think it's not fair to say bad things about a game were people work one or two years hard on, be it bad or good they invest in their games they make and who am I to say something bad about it. In about 20 or 30 years I am dead and I am glad when I am finnaly off this rotten planet.
I also agree that not every thread has such a heated discussion. Quite often the discussion is very positive and I think that the game itself has a lot to do with the thread's content.
We (and the mods) spend a lot of time cleaning this sort of thing up. Maybe that's why we're more intolerant of it, because we see it on a daily basis. It's not about just saying positive things (although I'm with you, if there's a game I don't like I just won't bother saying anything usually), but the way that people say it. Developers want feedback both positive and negative (ESPECIALLY negative), but they also don't want to be vilified and called names. That's the thing I wish people would understand. Some people are experts at giving honest criticism in a very constructive way, and then there's people who just open their mouth and spout vitriol.
If I can throw my .02 in here, I'm not seeing that this discussion is that bad. Forum members are attempting to explain why they feel the way they do. What bugs me is when the "one-worders" jump into a game thread with stuff like "FTP-deleted" without even attempting to try the game or see if its worth playing, all they are doing is try to stir it up without contributing anything useful. OK. We know you don't like FTP. We don't need you to say so in every thread. The only time I have ever asked for a refund is if I purchased some IAP or another and didn't get what I paid for. Which is what I think some people were complaining about here. I've purchased many games that I didn't like. Oh well. I liken it to buying a book and reading it and not liking it. Oh well. I've spent way more money on books than I ever did on games, and I'm much more disappointed when I don't like the book than if I don't like the game. I used to be in a book trading club forum. You would think that people discussing books would have a little more to contribute to a discussion but they didn't. And Eli, you haven't seen toxic until you were in that forum during the 2008 elections. That was just crazy time.
I don't Iike devs bashing, however I think that overprotecting them is also not healthy. I think the critics have merit, even if people don't agree with them. They shouldn't be dismissed as childish ranting. Edit: the way the discussion unfolds people might get the impression that all critics have the same tone. Not all "cross the line".
This is such a great post: https://nathanmeunier.com/2016/08/16/rejecting-the-new-norm-of-games-industry-toxicity/
Rep might be an idea on the forum. So people whose behaviour is bad- can be equated with a rep. Of course negative opinions should also be permitted, it's just excessively negative, and that's where the rep can maybe be used.
That's sad. I've read a review at appstore that was 1* along these lines: "This game is fun, but doesn't have multiplayer. Add the feature" That's horrible and hurt a lot. People are bizarre.
Those of you who follow these things know that I always give an honest criticism about games I play, whether it's very positive or if it's negative. I don't bash devs, but I will tell it as I see it about the game itself. That's what a forum is for! I think honest negative feedback is basically the most helpful thing a creator of something can get to help them better their product in general whether it's here or at Yelp or whatever! I don't like to read sugar-coated nice-nice comments all the time as nobody learns anything from that. It's good to tell them you really like something they made and it is important and necessary, but is where it's most helpful is when they hear from outside sources who are unbiased some way they realize they can better the thing! Must be true, as I review, rate, and give my opinion on a wide range of things and companies and lots of others actually seek me out and offer me money and the product to keep for free in exchange for my critique all the time! These days, with the Internet, there's lots of issues where people get pissed off at each other un-necessarily and a lot of times it's an inherent thing to misconstrue what was said because you're only reading text. You can't HEAR the TONE of what was said, and because of that, sometimes it gets taken wrong and/or creates problems. Naturally. I'm not talking about the full-on assholes, just regular conversations here. As we all know, it happens ALL the time! It's sometimes hard to discern where a comment is coming from. But, until we use another form of communicating, it's always gonna be like that. #
The problem is that, regardless of intention of tone or whatever, you cannot call a developer "idiots" no matter how hard you disagree with their monetization or dislike their game or whatever. You simply cannot. Additionally, getting into a name-calling pissing match with other members, regardless of who started it or not, is not acceptable. You can simply report posts like that and let moderators deal with it rather than replying and perpetuating the situation. I would expect better from someone who has been here as long as you. If I had been around over the weekend when that all transpired I likely would have just banned everyone involved, because we do not need that kind of shit around here. Eli and I are trying to find time to do a massive revamp of the rules, which is about 7 years overdue, and there will be a more zero tolerance policy for this sort of thing. So as a long time member (and a good member, I should add, I am not trying to pick on you) please try to lead by example in these sorts of situations. TA is a wonderful and unique place, and ugliness and negativity only bring it down.
